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Peter Whisenant's avatar

This is a terrific response to Mr. C's well considered defense of Meter, which I read with interest. (And, as you say, Mr. C is a talented poet. Buy his books!) The only way, in my opinion, to revive Meter in poetry is to come up with a scaled book pricing system, with volumes of "free verse" naturally being free, and the pricing for volumes of verse written in Meter being based on the complexity of the Meter. That'd spawn a new set of poets working in Meter--the Meterites, or Meteroligists, or Meterlings--with Mr. C leading the way.

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Keir's avatar

I admire your clarity and good humour, Olivia! Cool Venn diagrams, too! You've said much I agree with, and far more elegantly than I could have.

Just a few random thoughts:-

I do not read Dover Beach as a "free verse" poem. Obviously, it's loose in its form (variable line length and rhyme pattern), but it's actually very tightly iambically metered - even where he employs less orthodox variations.

I agree with Eliot that "free verse" isn't really "free". But was he really serious when he claimed that strictly metered verse can never be amongst the most "interesting" verse? Or was he provocatively overstating his case? As you say, strictly metered verse comprises the main trunk of our poetic tradition, so it's a bold assertion!

In regards to what Robert and Omond regard as a problematic "traditional understanding of accent as binary (stressed/unstressed)”, unless I'm misunderstanding their point, this seems deeply confused to me. Of course there are degrees of relative stress: degree of stress, by definition, is not binary. What *is* binary, within accentual or accentual/syllabic verse, is that every syllable is either a beat or an offbeat: it cannot be something inbetween; it cannot be both at the same time.

A beat can be light, or an offbeat can be heavy - but every syllable is *either* a beat *or* an offbeat. Sometimes a line can be delivered in more than one way, so a particular syllable may be a beat if the line is delivered one way, or an offbeat when delivered another way - but the reader does have to make a binary choice.

Following on from that, I disagree with Robert that there is anything *innately* problematic or ignorant about rigorous metrical analysis or description: a metered poem does abide by a set of rhythmic principles which can be fruitfully subjected to detailed analysis. What *is* inadequate is traditional disyllabic "foot" division in iambic verse, which is choppy and artificial, and often obscures rather than highlights the variations in rhythmic movement we actually *hear* - which *can* be consistently described: metrical variation is finite, as is the interplay of phrase, line, and meter. At a fundamental level, it can also obscure beat displacement (the pattern some people call a "double iamb", and which I call a "pump", *cannot* usefully be split into two separate "feet").

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